Between Two Coaches | A Digital Mentors Podcast

In this laugh-out-loud, no-holds-barred episode of Between Two Coaches, Norbert Orlewicz sits down with powerhouse productivity and leadership coach Jennie Bellinger—aka the "Direct Sales Dom"—for a bold and unapologetic conversation about coaching, branding, and self-leadership.
Jennie is the host of the Badass Direct Sales Mastery podcast, a two-time international bestselling author, and a certified professional coach who helps direct sales leaders reclaim their time and step fully into their power. But she’s also a brand rebel who’s flipped the script on what a coaching business should look like—and it’s working.
Inside this episode:
Why certification + self-awareness is the real fast track to becoming a powerful coach
What the world of network marketing taught Jennie about rejection, resilience, and results
The branding story behind BDSM (yes, THAT BDSM), and how it filters the wrong clients out
Why building your business solo is the fastest way to burn out—and how collaboration changes everything
The biggest mistake Jennie made with her first virtual summit (and how she turned failure into fire)
How to prequalify clients so you only work with the hell-yeses
Jennie also reveals her high-level mastermind for top network marketing leaders—and shares a powerful free gift: the Manifesting Sales Success guided meditation, created to rewire your sales mindset in under 9 minutes a day.
If you’re tired of playing small, hiding behind bland branding, or attracting the wrong clients, this episode will wake you up. It's real, raw, and ridiculously useful.
Links & Resources:
Get Jennie’s FREE Sales Mindset Meditation: badassdirectsalesmastery.com
Listen to the Badass Direct Sales Mastery Podcast
Register for the Digital Mentors Compass Workshop: compassworkshop.com

In this powerful episode of Between Two Coaches, Norbert Orlewicz sits down with Cheri Tree—world-renowned sales expert, bestselling author, and creator of the B.A.N.K. personality coding system—to unlock one of the most overlooked secrets in coaching and client acquisition: the science of why people say yes.
Most coaches struggle to enroll clients—not because they’re bad at what they do, but because they don’t know how to speak their clients’ language. Cheri breaks down how understanding your prospect’s unique buying personality code can instantly transform your sales conversations, increase your conversions, and deepen your coaching relationships.
🚀 Whether you're just starting out or scaling to six figures, this episode will help you:
Understand the 4 B.A.N.K. personality types—and why most coaches communicate with the wrong one
Learn how to instantly build trust and connection with any potential client
Discover how to personalize your pitch in under 90 seconds (without being “salesy”)
Uncover the psychology that separates high-income coaches from the ones stuck in the grind
This isn’t another fluff conversation about personality types—this is tactical, science-backed strategy that works in the real world.
🔑 If you want more yeses, deeper impact, and a sustainable, scalable coaching business—you need to hear what Cheri Tree has to say.
🎧 Listen now and unlock the code to more income, influence, and impact.